茅厕在房顶上的,可否把石头带上去?拉夫希斯达 说可以——人的体面为大,连 妥拉 里的禁令也能压过。拉维纳 以「剔牙的木片」一条相驳,答曰:吃饭之处人自己定得,出恭之处却定不得。
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他所问的是:他的茅厕若在房顶上,安息日把那些石头带上去,这条 哈拉哈 当怎样断呢?
Ḥisda: What is the halakha with regard to taking those stones up with him to the roof if his bathroom is there?
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这是可以的呢,还是因为费力而不可以呢?
Is it permitted or is it prohibited due to the exertion involved?
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他对他说:这是可以的;人的体面为大,连 妥拉 里的一条禁令也能压过。
He said to him: It is permitted; great is human dignity as it overrides a prohibition in the Torah.
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革玛拉 讲起:玛雷马尔 坐着讲这条 哈拉哈。
The Gemara relates: Mareimar sat and stated this halakha.
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拉维纳 引一条 《巴拉伊塔》 驳 玛雷马尔 所说,那里 拉比以利以谢 说:人安息日可以从面前的地上拾一片木头来剔牙。
Ravina raised an objection to the statement of Mareimar from a baraita where Rabbi Eliezer says: A person may take a wood chip from the ground before him to clean his teeth on Shabbat.
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众拉比却说:只可以从牲畜的槽里取一片木头——那本是备着给牲畜用的;地上的木头是禁动之物,不可取。
And the Rabbis say one may take a wood chip only from the animal’s trough, which is already designated for the animal’s use, but not from wood on the ground, which is set-aside.
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可见用那木片虽也关乎人的体面,仍因禁动之律而不许。
Apparently, despite the fact that using the wood chip enhances human dignity, it is nevertheless prohibited due to the prohibition of set-aside.
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革玛拉 驳回这话:这两件事怎能相比呢?
The Gemara rejects this: How can you compare?
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那里,人吃饭的地方是自己定得的。
There, a person determines the place for his meal.
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他既知道要在哪里吃,本该预先备下剔牙的木片。
Since he knows where he will eat he should have prepared toothpicks beforehand.
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这里,人出恭的地方岂是自己定得的么?
Here, does a person determine the place for a bathroom?
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他是走到哪里有隐蔽之处,就在哪里出恭。
He relieves himself wherever he finds a discreet place to do so.