「皮」一语单用在众贤所列那几样上——因为众贤把它们的皮看作与肉一样。阿巴耶 与 拉瓦 各出一讲,拉夫阿达·巴尔·马塔纳 末了断作:众拉比是说论不洁,众贤所列那几样算没有皮;两家所争单在不洁一层。
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——单用在众贤所列那几样有皮的活物上,因为众贤把它们的皮看作与它们的肉一样。
with regard to those animals enumerated by the Sages as having skin, since their skin is considered by the Sages to be similar to their flesh.
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革玛拉 问:这却相反了——众贤所列那几样、皮与肉既算作一样的,正是没有「皮」可言的。
The Gemara asks: On the contrary, those that the Sages enumerated, whose skin and flesh are equated, do not have skins.
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阿巴耶 说:那条 《巴拉伊塔》 里的 坦拿 意思是这样:惟有众贤所没有列的那几样,才有与肉分别的皮。
And Abaye said: This is what the tanna in the baraita is saying: Only those that the Sages did not enumerate have skin discrete from their flesh.
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拉瓦 对他说:那条 《巴拉伊塔》 岂不是说得正相反么——众贤所列的那几样才有与肉分别的皮。
Rava said to him: Doesn’t the baraita say the opposite: That those enumerated by the Sages have skin discrete from their flesh?
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倒不如说,拉瓦 说:那条 《巴拉伊塔》 的意思是这样:惟有众贤所列那几样活物的皮,才像肉一样传不洁。
Rather, Rava said: This is what the baraita is saying: Only the skin of those animals enumerated by the Sages transmits impurity like flesh.
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革玛拉 问:这岂不是说,依 拉比约哈难·本·努里,连众贤所没有列的爬物也传不洁么?
The Gemara asks: Is that to say by inference that Rabbi Yoḥanan ben Nuri holds that even the creeping animals not enumerated by the Sages also transmit impurity?
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所教的岂不正相反么——拉比约哈难·本·努里 说:那八样爬物有皮,那皮是不传不洁的。
Isn’t the opposite taught, that Rabbi Yoḥanan ben Nuri says: The eight creeping animals have skin that does not transmit impurity?
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拉夫阿达·巴尔·马塔纳 这样解开它:众拉比是说:论不洁,众贤所列那几样是没有「皮」可言的。
Rav Adda bar Mattana said to resolve it this way: And the Rabbis say: With regard to impurity, those animals enumerated by the Sages do not have skin.
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照这个讲法,拉比约哈难·本·努里 与众拉比所争的,单在不洁的诸律上。
According to this explanation, Rabbi Yoḥanan ben Nuri and the Rabbis disagree only with regard to the laws of impurity.