(续上)……因节日禁生火。
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……因为在节日禁止生火。
due to the prohibition of kindling a fire on a Festival.
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施泰因扎尔茨 补入。下面的比例是逐句从这个标记算出来的,不是判断。
这一面每读 6 句,只有一句以塔木德自己的话为主。把这件事藏起来, 读者会以为自己读的是塔木德;标出来,他才知道自己站在哪里。
(续上)……因节日禁生火。
……因为在节日禁止生火。
due to the prohibition of kindling a fire on a Festival.
拉比约哈难 对那位 坦拿 说:出去,到外面去教——这条 《巴拉伊塔》 不配在学堂里讨论。说节日禁生火、禁烹煮的,不是值得认真看待的教导。你若说它是真的教导而非错传,这话也不合 哈拉哈,因它照 沙迈学派 的意见——他们不说:既然为预备食物许了在节日搬出,不为这目的而搬出也就许了。这里也一样,他们不说:既然为预备食物许了在节日生火,不为这目的而生火也就许了。
拉比约哈难 对那位 坦拿 说:出去,到外面去教它吧,就是说,这条 《巴拉伊塔》 不配在学堂里讨论。
Rabbi Yoḥanan said to that tanna: Leave and teach it outside, i.e., this baraita is not fit for discussion in the study hall.
那个说在节日有生火与烹煮之禁的意见,不是一条值得认真看待的教导。
The opinion that there is a prohibition against kindling and cooking on a Festival is not a mishna worthy of serious consideration.
而你若说它是一条教导、不是错传,这句话仍不合 哈拉哈,因为它是照 沙迈学派 的意见,他们说:我们不说「既然为预备食物之故在节日许了搬出,不为这些目的而行的搬出也就许了」。
And if you say that it is a mishna rather than an error, this statement is still not in accordance with the halakha, as it is following the opinion of Beit Shammai, who say: We do not say: Since carrying out was permitted on a Festival for the purposes of food preparation, it was also permitted when performed not for these purposes.
这里也一样,我们不说:既然为预备食物之故在节日许了生火,不为这些目的而行的生火也就许了。
Here, too, we do not say: Since kindling was permitted on a Festival for the purposes of food preparation, it was also permitted when performed not for these purposes.
革玛拉解释这条 《巴拉伊塔》 何以不能归于 希列学派:他们说,既然为预备食物许了搬出,不为这目的而搬出也就许了;这里也一样,既然为预备食物许了生火,不为这目的而生火也就许了。所以照 希列学派,生火不能列在节日须负责的诸禁之中。
革玛拉解释这条 《巴拉伊塔》 为什么不能归于 希列学派。
The Gemara explains why the baraita cannot be attributed to Beit Hillel.
若有人提议这条 《巴拉伊塔》 是照 希列学派 的意见,那是不可能的,因为他们说:既然为预备食物之故许了搬出,不为这些目的而行的搬出也就许了。
If one were to suggest that this baraita follows the opinion of Beit Hillel, this cannot be the case, as they say: Since carrying out was permitted for the purposes of food preparation, it was also permitted when performed not for these purposes.
这里也一样,既然为预备食物之故许了生火,不为这些目的而行的生火也就许了。
Here, too, since kindling was permitted for the purposes of food preparation, it was also permitted when performed not for these purposes.
所以,照 希列学派 的意见,生火不能被列在那些人在节日要为之负责的禁令之中。
Therefore, according to the opinion of Beit Hillel, kindling cannot be included amongst those prohibitions for which one is liable on a Festival.
密释纳:节日可分出 面团举祭,因节日许和面烤饼,而饼不先分 面团举祭 就不可吃。沙迈学派 说:节日不可把分出的 面团举祭 或别的祭司礼物——宰牲的前腿、两腮与胃——送给祭司,虽然从节日所宰的牲畜上分出它们是许的;无论是昨晚(节日前)分出的还是今日分出的,都禁。希列学派 许可。
在节日分出 面团举祭 是许可的,因为在节日许人和面、烤饼,而饼若不先分出 面团举祭 就不可吃。
The separation of ḥalla is permitted on a Festival, as one is permitted to prepare dough and bake it on a Festival, and bread may not be eaten without first separating ḥalla.
沙迈学派 说:在节日,人不可把分出的 面团举祭 或别的任何祭司礼物,就是宰杀之牲畜的前腿、两腮与胃,送给祭司,尽管从节日所宰的牲畜上把它们分出来是许可的。
Beit Shammai say: One may not bring separated ḥalla or any of the other priestly gifts, i.e., the foreleg, the jaw, and the maw of a slaughtered animal, to a priest on a Festival, though it is permitted to separate them from an animal slaughtered on a Festival.
无论它们是昨晚、就是节日以前分出的,还是今日分出的,这都是被禁止的。
This is prohibited regardless of whether they were separated last evening, i.e., before the Festival, or whether they were separated today.
而 希列学派 许可。
And Beit Hillel permit it.
沙迈学派 对 希列学派 说:这条 哈拉哈 可由类比推出:面团举祭 与别的礼物都算给祭司的礼物,从出产分出的 举祭 也是给祭司的礼物;正如你们同意节日不可把 举祭 送给祭司,别的礼物也不可送。
沙迈学派 对 希列学派 说:这条 哈拉哈 可以借一个类比推出:面团举祭 与别的礼物都被看作给祭司的礼物,同样,从出产中分出的 举祭 也是给祭司的礼物。
Beit Shammai said to Beit Hillel: This halakha can be derived by an analogy: Ḥalla and the other gifts are both considered a gift to the priest, and likewise teruma separated from produce is also a gift to the priest.
正如你们同意人在节日不可把 举祭 送给祭司,同样,人也不可送别的礼物。
Just as you agree that one may not bring teruma to a priest on a Festival, so too, one may not bring the other gifts.
希列学派 对他们说:不,这类比不对。你们若由 举祭 推——节日不许分出它——又怎能对牲畜的礼物或 面团举祭 说同样的话?它们在节日是许分出的。既然分出这些礼物不禁,把它们送给祭司也就可以。
希列学派 对他们说:不,这个类比是不对的。
Beit Hillel said to them: No, this analogy is incorrect.
你们若说是从 举祭 推出这条 哈拉哈,在那里节日不许分出它,你们又怎能对牲畜的礼物或 面团举祭 说同样的话?论它们,在节日是许人分出的。
If you said that you derive the halakha from teruma, where its separation is not allowed on the Festival, how will you say the same with regard to the gifts from an animal or ḥalla, concerning which their separation is allowed on the Festival?
既然分出这些礼物不被禁止,它们同样也可以被送给祭司。
Since it is not prohibited to separate these gifts, they may likewise be brought to a priest.
你心里会以为:密释纳说「今日分出的」,是指今日所宰的牲畜;「昨晚分出的」,指昨晚所宰的。革玛拉问:若是这样,密释纳是谁的意见?既不是 拉比约西,也不是 拉比犹大,而是 另有人 的意见,如 《托塞夫塔》 所教:拉比犹大 说:沙迈学派 与 希列学派 不争节日前夕分出的礼物——可在节日当天连同当日分出、当日所宰牲畜的礼物一起送给祭司;他们只争单送前一日分出的礼物:沙迈学派 说不可单送,希列学派 说可以送。
你心里会想到这样解释:当密释纳说「它们是今日分出的」时,意思是:从今日所宰的牲畜。
It enters your mind to explain that when the mishna states: They were separated today, it means: From animals slaughtered today.
而「它们是昨晚分出的」这一语,是指昨晚所宰的牲畜。
And the phrase: They were separated last evening, is referring to animals slaughtered last evening.
革玛拉问:若是这样,密释纳里所表达的是谁的意见?
The Gemara asks: If so, whose opinion is expressed in the mishna?
它既不是 拉比约西 的,也不是 拉比犹大 的,而是 另有人 的意见,正如 《托塞夫塔》 里所教:拉比犹大 说:沙迈学派 与 希列学派 并不就节日前夕分出的礼物相争,人可以在节日当天,把它们连同当天分出的、从当天所宰牲畜来的礼物,一起送给祭司。
It is not Rabbi Yosei nor Rabbi Yehuda, but the opinion of Aḥerim, as it is taught in the Tosefta that Rabbi Yehuda said: Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel did not dispute with regard to gifts separated on the eve of a Festival, that one may bring them to a priest on a Festival day itself along with gifts separated that day and from those animals slaughtered that day.
他们只就单独送前一天分出之礼物的 哈拉哈 相争:沙迈学派 说,人不可单独送这些礼物;而 希列学派 说,人可以送它们。
They disputed only the halakha of bringing gifts separated the day before by themselves, as Beit Shammai say: One may not bring these gifts by themselves, and Beit Hillel say: One may bring them.
(《托塞夫塔》 续)沙迈学派 这样推:面团举祭 与宰牲的礼物是给祭司的礼物,举祭 也是给祭司的礼物;正如节日不可把 举祭 送给祭司,别的礼物也不可送。希列学派 对他们说:不,你们若就 举祭 这样说,理由是节日不许分出它;别的礼物在节日许分出,你们又怎能说同样的话?所以把这些礼物送给祭司也是许的。这是 拉比犹大 对两家之争的解释,照这解释,沙迈学派 连节日当天分出的礼物也禁送。
而 沙迈学派 会这样推理:面团举祭 与从宰杀之牲畜来的礼物是给祭司的礼物,而 举祭 也是给祭司的礼物。
And Beit Shammai would reason as follows: Ḥalla and gifts from a slaughtered animal are a gift to the priest, and teruma is a gift to the priest.
正如人在节日不可把 举祭 送给祭司,同样,人也不可送别的礼物。
Just as one may not bring teruma to a priest on a Festival, so too, one may not bring the other gifts.
希列学派 对他们说:不,就算你们就 举祭 这样说,理由是在节日不许分出它;然而论别的礼物,在节日许人分出,你们又怎能说同样的话?
Beit Hillel said to them: No, granted, if you said so with regard to teruma, the reason is that separation is not allowed on a Festival, but how will you say the same with regard to the other gifts, concerning which separation is allowed on the Festival?
所以,把这些礼物也送给祭司是许可的。
It is therefore permitted to bring these gifts to a priest as well.
这是 拉比犹大 对 沙迈学派 与 希列学派 之争的解释,照这个解释,沙迈学派 连在节日当天分出的礼物也禁止送。
This is Rabbi Yehuda’s interpretation of the dispute between Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel, according to which Beit Shammai prohibit bringing even gifts separated on the Festival itself.
拉比约西 说:那不是争论的正确记载,因两家都同意节日可把牲畜的礼物送给祭司;他们只争 举祭:沙迈学派 说不可送,希列学派 说连 举祭 也可送。希列学派 这样推:面团举祭 与礼物是给祭司的礼物,举祭 也是;正如节日可送别的礼物,举祭 也可送。沙迈学派 对他们说:不,你们若就别的礼物这样说——节日许分出它们——又怎能对不许分出的 举祭 说同样的话?
拉比约西 说:那不是这个争论的正确记载,因为 沙迈学派 与 希列学派 并不就人可在节日把牲畜的礼物送给祭司这件事相争。
Rabbi Yosei said: That is not the correct record of the dispute, as Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel did not dispute about the fact that one may bring the gifts from an animal to a priest on a Festival.
他们只就 举祭 相争:沙迈学派 说,人不可送它;而 希列学派 说,人甚至可以送 举祭。
They disputed only with regard to teruma, as Beit Shammai say: One may not bring it, and Beit Hillel say: One may even bring teruma.
而 希列学派 会这样推理:面团举祭 与礼物是给祭司的礼物,而 举祭 也是给祭司的礼物。
And Beit Hillel would reason as follows: Ḥalla and gifts are a gift to the priest, and teruma is a gift to the priest.
正如人在节日可以送别的礼物,同样,人也可以送 举祭。
Just as one may bring the other gifts on a Festival, so too, one may bring teruma.
沙迈学派 对他们说:不;你们若就别的礼物这样说,论它们,在节日许人分出,你们又怎能对不许分出的 举祭 说同样的话?
Beit Shammai said to them: No; if you said so with regard to the other gifts, concerning which their separation is allowed on the Festival, will you say the same with regard to teruma, whose separation is not allowed?
另有人 说争论是这样:两家不争 举祭——节日不可送给祭司;他们只争别的礼物:沙迈学派 说不可送,希列学派 说可以送。革玛拉提议:就说密释纳只照 另有人,不照 拉比犹大 吧。革玛拉连提都不提密释纳或许照 拉比约西,因显然它与他的解释对不上。
另有人 说,这个争论是这样的:沙迈学派 与 希列学派 并不就 举祭 相争,都认为人在节日不可把它送给祭司。
Aḥerim say that the dispute was as follows: Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel did not dispute with regard to teruma, that one may not bring it to a priest on a Festival.
他们只就别的礼物的情形相争:沙迈学派 说,人不可送别的礼物;而 希列学派 说,人可以送它们。
They disputed only the case of the other gifts, as Beit Shammai say: One may not bring the other gifts, and Beit Hillel say: One may bring them.
革玛拉提议:就让我们说,这条密释纳只照 另有人 的意见,而不照 拉比犹大 的意见吧。
The Gemara proposes: Let us say that the mishna is only in accordance with the opinion of Aḥerim, and not in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda.
革玛拉甚至不提议这条密释纳或许照 拉比约西 的意见,因为显然它不能与他的解释相调和。
The Gemara does not even suggest that the mishna might be in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, as it is clear that it cannot be reconciled with his explanation.
拉瓦 说:密释纳岂是教「它们当日分出、当日宰杀」?不,它只教「它们是分出的」;其实密释纳当这样解:昨晚宰杀、今日分出——这正是 拉比犹大 所说的。革玛拉问:若是这样,就说密释纳照 拉比犹大、不照 另有人 吧?革玛拉驳回:即便说它照 另有人,仍可说照他们的意见,两家所争的是昨晚宰杀的这些牲畜,而非节日所宰的。
拉瓦 说:密释纳里岂是教导「它们是当天分出、当天宰杀的」吗?
Rava said: Is it taught in the mishna: They were separated that day and were slaughtered that day?
不;它教导的是「它们是分出的」,而这条密释纳其实应当这样解释:它们是昨晚宰杀、今日分出的,这正是 拉比犹大 所说的。
No; it teaches: They were separated, and actually the mishna should be explained as follows: They were slaughtered last evening and separated today, which is exactly what Rabbi Yehuda said.
革玛拉问:若是这样,就让我们说,这条密释纳是照 拉比犹大 的意见,而不照 另有人 的意见吧?
The Gemara asks: If so, let us say that the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yehuda and not in accordance with the opinion of Aḥerim?
革玛拉驳回这话:即便你说这条密释纳是照 另有人 的意见,仍然可以主张,照他们的意见,沙迈学派 与 希列学派 所争的是这些昨晚宰杀的牲畜的情形,而不是那些在节日宰杀的。
The Gemara rejects this: Even if you say that the mishna is in accordance with the opinion of Aḥerim, it can still be claimed that, in their opinion, Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel disputed the case of these animals that were slaughtered last evening, not those slaughtered on the Festival.
革玛拉问:若是这样,这就与 拉比犹大 的意见相同了;他与 另有人 的分别在哪里?答:实际分别在「附带的礼物」:人有节日前分出的礼物,可否把它们作为附带的,与节日当天分出的一起送给祭司?拉比犹大 以为照 希列学派,附带的礼物可以送给祭司,另有人 却禁止。
革玛拉问:若是这样,这就是与 拉比犹大 相同的意见了。
The Gemara asks: If so, this is the same opinion as that of Rabbi Yehuda.
那么,拉比犹大 与 另有人 的意见之间有什么分别?
What, then, is the difference between the opinions of Rabbi Yehuda and Aḥerim?
革玛拉答:他们之间的实际分别,是关于附带的礼物。
The Gemara answers: The practical difference between them is with regard to secondary gifts.
若人有节日以前分出的礼物,他可否把它们作为附带的礼物,与别的在节日分出的礼物合在一起,一同送给祭司?
If one has gifts separated before a Festival, is he permitted to join them as secondary gifts along with others separated on the Festival and transport them together to a priest?
拉比犹大 认为,照 希列学派 的意见,附带的礼物可以被送给祭司;而 另有人 禁止这样做。
Rabbi Yehuda maintains that secondary gifts may be brought to a priest, according to the opinion of Beit Hillel, whereas Aḥerim prohibit it.
论 《托塞夫塔》 所引的争论,拉夫犹大 传 撒母耳 说:哈拉哈 照 拉比约西。革玛拉记述:拉比尼希米之子拉夫托维 有一瓶 举祭 酒,来到 拉夫约瑟 面前问:如今在节日把这酒送给祭司,哈拉哈 如何?拉夫约瑟 对他说:正如 拉夫犹大 传 撒母耳 所说:哈拉哈 照 拉比约西——他以为 希列学派 许人在节日把 举祭 送给祭司,而 哈拉哈 照他们。
论 《托塞夫塔》 里所引的争论,拉夫犹大 说 撒母耳 说:哈拉哈 是照 拉比约西 的意见。
With regard to the dispute cited in the Tosefta, Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei.
革玛拉记述:拉比尼希米之子拉夫托维 有一瓶 举祭 酒。
The Gemara relates: Rav Tovi, son of Rabbi Neḥemya, had a bottle of teruma wine.
他来到 拉夫约瑟 面前,对他说:论如今、在节日把这酒送给祭司,哈拉哈 是怎样的?
He came before Rav Yosef and said to him: What is the halakha with regard to bringing this wine to a priest now, on a Festival?
拉夫约瑟 对他说:这就是 拉夫犹大 说 撒母耳 所说的:哈拉哈 是照 拉比约西 的意见,他认为 希列学派 许人在节日把 举祭 送给祭司,而 哈拉哈 是照他们的意见。
Rav Yosef said to him: That is what Rav Yehuda said that Shmuel said: The halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Rabbi Yosei, who maintains that Beit Hillel permit one to bring teruma to a priest on a Festival, and the halakha is in accordance with their opinion.
§ 革玛拉记述:拉夫哈难之子拉瓦 的房东有几捆未加工的芥菜,籽还留在茎里。他问这位作客的贤者:节日压碎这些芥菜茎来吃,哈拉哈 如何?他一时答不上来,就去问 拉瓦。后者对他说:有教导说:节日可用手指搓麦粒去壳,也可压碎豆类。这话表明压碎芥菜茎是许的。
革玛拉记述:拉夫哈难之子拉瓦 的房东有几捆未加工的芥菜,它们的籽还留在茎里。
§ The Gemara relates: The host of Rava, son of Rav Ḥanan, had bundles of unprocessed mustard, whose seeds remained in their stems.
他对他的客人、就是那位贤者说:论在节日压碎这些芥菜茎、从中取来吃,哈拉哈 是怎样的?
He said to his guest, the Sage: What is the halakha with regard to crushing these mustard stalks and eating from them on a Festival?
拉夫哈难之子拉瓦 手边没有现成的答案,就来到 拉瓦 面前,询问他的意见。
Rava, son of Rav Ḥanan, did not have an answer readily available, so he came before Rava to ask his opinion.
拉瓦 对他说,有教导说:在节日,人可以用手指搓磨谷粒来去壳,同样,人也可以压碎豆类。
Rava said to him that it was taught: One may husk kernels by rubbing them between one’s fingers, and one may likewise crush legumes on a Festival.
这句话表明,压碎芥菜茎是许可的。
This statement indicates that it is permitted to crush mustard stalks.
阿巴耶 从一条 《巴拉伊塔》 向 拉瓦 提出反驳:人在安息日前夕搓麦粒去壳,次日安息日可用不寻常的方式——从一只手倒到另一只手——扬去糠皮来吃;然而不可用有时用来筛分糠皮的篮子[扁筐],也不可用大器皿。
阿巴耶 从一条 《巴拉伊塔》 向 拉瓦 提出一个反驳:论一个在安息日前夕搓麦粒去壳的人,在第二天、就是安息日当天,他可以用一种不寻常的方式扬去糠皮,就是把谷粒从一只手倒到另一只手,然后吃它们。
Abaye raised an objection to Rava from a baraita: In the case of one who husks kernels of grain on Shabbat eve, on the following day, on Shabbat itself, he may winnow the chaff in an irregular manner by passing the kernels from hand to hand and then eat them.
然而人不可这样做,既不可借着一个有时用来筛拣、分离糠皮的篮子[扁筐],也不可用一个大器皿。
However, one may not do so, neither by means of a basket [kanon] that is occasionally used for sorting and separating the chaff nor with a large vessel.
(《巴拉伊塔》 续)人在节日前夕搓麦粒去壳,次日可一次扬一点来吃,连用盘子或大器皿也可;然而不可用板、簸箕或筛子——这些器皿专为扬谷而设,只用于大量,看来就像他在为节日之后预备,那当然是禁的。无论如何,《巴拉伊塔》 的措辞表明:节日前夕,是,可以去壳或压碎豆类;节日当天,不,禁止这样做。
论一个在节日前夕搓麦粒去壳的人,在第二天,他可以一次扬一点谷粒来吃,甚至用一个盘子或一个大器皿也可以。
With regard to one who husks kernels of grain on a Festival eve, on the following day, he may winnow a little grain at a time and eat, even with a tray or a large vessel.
然而他不可用一块板,也不可用一个簸箕,也不可用一个筛子来这样做。
However, he may not do so with a tablet, nor with a winnow, nor with a sieve.
既然这些器皿是为扬谷而设计的,它们只用于大量,所以看起来就会像他在为节日之后预备,那当然是被禁止的。
Since these vessels are designed for winnowing, they are used only for large quantities, and therefore it will appear as though he were preparing for after the Festival, which is certainly prohibited.
无论如何,这条 《巴拉伊塔》 的措辞表明:在节日前夕,是,人可以去壳或压碎豆类;在节日当天,不,这样做是被禁止的。
In any case, the wording of the baraita indicates: On a Festival eve, yes, one may husk or crush legumes; on the Festival itself, no, it is prohibited to do so.
革玛拉驳回:即便说节日当天也许,这条 《巴拉伊塔》 仍可理解:前一段既教了「安息日前夕」——因安息日当天不可去壳,恐导致被禁之工——后一段也就教「节日前夕」;这并不表示搓麦或压豆在节日当天是禁的。
革玛拉驳回这话:即便你说在节日当天是许可的,这条 《巴拉伊塔》 也能被理解。
The Gemara refutes this: Even if you say that it is permitted on a Festival, the baraita can be understood.
理由如下:既然他在这条 《巴拉伊塔》 的前一段教了「在安息日前夕」,因为在安息日当天不可给谷粒去壳,恐怕这会导致在安息日行一项被禁之工,他在后一段也就教了「在节日前夕」。
The reason is as follows: Since he taught in the first clause of the baraita: On Shabbat eve, as husking grain may not be performed on Shabbat itself, for it might lead to a prohibited labor on Shabbat, he also taught in the latter clause: On a Festival eve.
然而这并不表示,搓磨或压碎豆类在节日当天是被禁止的。
However, this does not mean that rubbing or crushing legumes is prohibited on the Festival itself.
阿巴耶 从另一角度诘难 拉瓦:你若这样说,我们就找到一种节日许分出的 举祭 了——麦粒搓前不能吃,没有分 举祭 的义务;如今搓了、成了食物,就有义务分 举祭,他若许吃,就必须许先分 举祭。然而我们在密释纳里明明学过:「不,你们若由 举祭 推,在那里节日不许分出它」——表明连 希列学派 也同意节日不可分出任何一种 举祭。
阿巴耶 从另一个角度对 拉瓦 的意见提出一个难处:你若这样说,我们就借此找到了一种在节日许人分出的 举祭 的情形。
Abaye raises a difficulty against the opinion of Rava from a different angle: If you say so, we have thereby found a case of teruma for which separation is allowed on a Festival.
在被搓磨以前,这些麦粒当然还不适合吃,所以没有从中分出 举祭 的义务。
Before being rubbed, the grains of wheat were certainly not fit to be eaten, and therefore there was no obligation to separate teruma from them.
既然如今人借着搓磨把它们预备成了食物,他就有义务从中分出 举祭;而人若许可吃它们,就必须许他先从中分出 举祭。
Now that one has prepared them as food by rubbing them, he is obligated to separate teruma from them, and if one is permitted to eat them, he must be permitted to separate teruma from them first.
而我们在密释纳里明明学过:不,你们若说是从 举祭 推出这条 哈拉哈,在那里节日不许分出它。
And we learned explicitly in the mishna: No, if you said that you derive the halakha from teruma, where its separation is not allowed on the Festival.
这句话表明,连 希列学派 也同意:人在节日不可分出任何一种 举祭。
This statement indicates that even Beit Hillel agree that one may not separate teruma of any kind on a Festival.
革玛拉驳回这诘难:这并不难。(下接 13a)
革玛拉驳回这个诘难:这并不难。
The Gemara refutes this challenge: This is not difficult.