续 拉夫帕帕:所说定赎罪日吃之罪的「一大枣之量」,是连核还是不连核?拉夫阿施 问相类的一问:密释纳说一大麦粒大小的骨头使人不洁,是连壳还是不连壳?是湿粒还是干粒?革玛拉阐明:拉夫阿施 不问 拉夫帕帕 那一问,因他觉答案显然——密释纳说「大」,就是尽可能大,必连核;拉夫帕帕 不问 拉夫阿施 那一问,因他觉答案显然——湿大麦另有名称、不叫大麦,去了壳也另有名称,所以密释纳必指带壳的干大麦。
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他们所说那定赎罪日吃之罪责的一大枣之量,是指一颗大枣连核的体积,还是不连核的?
The large date-bulk that they said is the measure that determines liability for eating on Yom Kippur, does this refer to the volume of a large date with its pit or without its pit?
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拉夫阿施 问了一个相类的问题:密释纳说一大麦粒大小的骨头会使人不洁,这是指一粒大麦连壳的体积,还是不连壳的?
Rav Ashi asked a similar question: The mishna that states that a bone that is a barley-grain-bulk imparts ritual impurity, does this refer to the volume of a barley grain with its husk or without its husk?
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又是指湿的麦粒,还是干的?
And is that referring to a wet kernel or a dry one?
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革玛拉阐明:拉夫阿施 没有问 拉夫帕帕 所问的那一问,就是论赎罪日一枣之量的大小,因为答案在他看来是清楚的。
The Gemara clarifies: Rav Ashi did not ask the question that Rav Pappa asked, regarding the size of the date-bulk on Yom Kippur because the answer was clear to him.
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因为密释纳说「大」,意思是尽可能大,那就必须连核在内。
Since it is stated in the mishna: Large, it means as large as possible, which must include the pit.
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反过来,拉夫帕帕 没有问 拉夫阿施 所问的那一问,就是论一大麦粒之量的大小,因为答案在他看来是清楚的。
Conversely, Rav Pappa did not ask the question that Rav Ashi asked regarding the size of the barley-grain-bulk because the answer was clear to him.
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湿的大麦另有名称,不称为大麦;去了壳也不再称为大麦,而另有名称。
Wet barley is called shibbolet and not barley; without its shell it is no longer called barley but is called ushla.
湿大麦称 shibbolet,去壳的称 ushla,中文只能说「另有名称」。
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所以密释纳所指的必是带壳的干大麦。
Therefore, the mishna must be referring to dry barley within its shell.