「出石榴」指大器,「破了大半」指小器。拉夫阿西 另说:陶器得洁之量是汁水进得去;「渗得出汁水」一说单指碎陶〔吉斯特拉〕。玛尔祖特拉 讲明缘由:碎陶是垫在漏器底下的,它自己一漏便再无用处。
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那说「孔须大到石榴出得去才使器皿成洁」的一句,指的是大器皿。
This statement, that a hole must be large enough to enable a pomegranate to go out in order to purify the vessel, is referring to large vessels.
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那教「器皿破了大半才成为洁的」一句,指的是小器皿。
And this statement, that teaches that a vessel is purified only when the majority of the vessel is broken, is referring to small vessels.
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拉夫阿西 说:他们所教的这条 哈拉哈 是这样:论陶器,使它不能再受不洁的孔之量,是大到汁水进得去。
Rav Asi said that they teach this halakha: With regard to an earthenware vessel, the measure of the hole that renders it unable to become ritually impure is large enough to enable liquid to enter it.
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他们所说「小到只渗得出汁水」的那一量,单是就碎陶〔吉斯特拉〕的不洁说的。
And they only said: The measure of a small hole from which liquid seeps, with regard to the impurity of a shard [gistera].
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革玛拉 问:这是什么缘故呢?
The Gemara asks: What is the reason for this?
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革玛拉 答:玛尔祖特拉·巴尔·拉夫纳赫曼 说:碎陶是当作盘子、垫在有孔的陶器底下的。
The Gemara answers that Mar Zutra, son of Rav Naḥman, said: A shard is used as a plate beneath a perforated earthenware vessel.
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那碎陶自己若也穿了孔、漏了,它就再没有什么用处了。
If the shard is also perforated and leaks, it is no longer of any use.
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因为人不说「再拿一块碎陶来堵这碎陶的漏」,只把它随手扔了。
Because one does not say: Bring another shard to seal the leak of a shard, but throws it out immediately.